The Mutual Support of the Ordained Sangha and Householders


The Mutual Support of the Ordained Sangha and Householders.

By Ajahn Christopher Titmuss (

A speech presented at The 8th International Buddhist Research Seminar & The 2nd International Conference on Buddhadāsa Studies on 25 May 2017 at the Buddhadāsa Indapañño Archives, Bangkok, in honour of the 111th Anniversary of Buddhadāsa.


Everybody in this hall is Buddhadasa. Everybody in this hall is Dhammadasa. Everybody in this hall is Sanghadasa. We all are the servants of the Triple Gem called The Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha.

As servants, we have immense responsibilities. In the privilege of giving this talk this morning, I would like to speak to the respected Buddhist monks, academics, the scholars and the devoted lay people. I would like to speak to the young people, who are sometimes referred to as the ‘me’ generation. Unfortunately, the ‘me’ generation was also found in previous generations as well.

I would like to give my qualifications for speaking to the monks. I am a former Theravada Thai Buddhist monk. Secondly, I have the privilege for more than 40 years to teach a Vipassana retreat at the invitation of the Lord Abbot of the Thai monastery in Bodh Gaya. For the last 18 years, I have the privilege to teach Vipassana meditation retreats at Sarnath Monastery at the invitation of the Lord Abbot there. My connections with India and Buddha-Dhamma in India is very important to me. 

Speaking to the monks in this morning, I would like express immense appreciation to the opening speech yesterday and the wonderful talk on sustainability and economics which followed on from it. When I was listening, I thought there are many great, wise and cool monks here in the Theravada traditions in Thailand. It was great joy to listen to the talks.

With regard to the monks. there are aspects which are precious as a path of exploration. The Dhamma is not about revolution but making changes and seeing what need to be developed.

In one of my books [Freedom of the Spirit], I interviewed Venerable Ajahn Buddhadasa. I asked him one or two questions about monks. I also asked him about education. Regarding the monks, there is one important feature of monk’s life in the ordained Sangha.

The ordained Sangha provides, not completely, the continuity of stability in society. It is a living presence in the life of all of us. This symbolic significance of the monks offering this presence gives refuge and some continuity in a rather mad, crazy world in which we have to live. It is not enough to offer precious stability to society. The monks also have other great responsibilities. One of these responsibilities is to ensure that the teaching of the Buddha, the Buddha Sasana, is communicated insightfully, clearly and effectively to monks, to novices, to nuns and to the householders.

My concern, a big concern, not small one, is that there is too big a gap between the ordained, male Sangha and the householders. We have to be mindful of the gap. For those who have been unlucky to go to London, you may have travelled on the underground train. When you get off from the tube in every station, the voice announcer says: ‘Mind the Gap.’

I am asking to the Buddhist monks: “Please mind the gap.” The monks must give the Buddha-Sassana directly to the householders. The wonderful Buddhists of Thailand do not receive the best of the Buddha Dhamma. When this happen, people will be stay in the kindergarten of the Dharma. The householders will be confined to making merits. They will be confined to the five precepts. They will be confined to the offering dana (donations). They will be confined to a belief in a better rebirth.

These areas are important. I am not undermining it. I have incredible gratitude for the monasteries for the offerings of the lay people. I love the art. I love the traditions there.  There is a gap between women and men in this hall and elsewhere. To the Sangha, who preserve the beautiful teaching, and the suttas: “Please give us (householders) more teachings. We need the teachings.”

The Buddha is a remarkable example of what I am talking about. He did not just speak to the nomadic Bhikkhu Sangha and the Bhikkhuni Sangha. As an example, he spent in Saravasti in north India, 25 years in the park of the city for the three months every year speaking to the princes, royalty, Brahmins, the householders, men, women and children.

We need that tradition of speaking to the householders. The monks need to show there is much more to the Dharma than making merit, offering dana and the better rebirth.

Important as this is, we got to go deeper. I was listening to the two talks yesterday morning. I attended the meetings. Wow. These insightful speeches were important.

Please monks use your voice. When the people come to the temple, don’t be concerned with amulets. Don’t be concerned with thoughts of getting rich.

If you don’t know the answers to the questions that the lay people come to you with, it is easy to answer. You have the Majjhima Nikaya, Samyutta Nikaya, Uddaka Nikaya, Sutta Nipata and Dhammapada. You have great teachers like Tan Ajahn Buddhadasa and a great tradition. If you don’t know what to say. Find out. Tell the people: “I will come and speak to you later.”

Second, this is not a revolutionary statement. Not at all. We need Bhikkhunis. We just had the privilege to listen a Bhikkhuni a few moments ago. The Buddha invited women to take ordination, to live a life of utter simplicity. All I can do is given an encouragement to the Sangha to consider that woman and man work together. As an environmentalist, my friends in the environment movements in Europe love the Thai Theravada Buddhist monks because some monks ordained trees to protect the rainforests. If monks can ordain trees, you can ordain… you get the point. (Applause. Namely to ordain bhikkhunis)

Paco of BIA very kindly invited me to come. I love Thailand. I spend time in little Thailand in the Thai Monasteries in India. It is great privilege to be with you. To come and see.  I had no idea of this immense Centre in Bangkok. I love the word ‘Suan Mokkh Bangkok.’ When I walked here and looked around the environment, it looked just beautiful. A lake. Trees. Gardens. Clean Air. Suan Mokkh is here. We need monks. We need people to give teachings here. Like the Buddha, in Saravasti, in the park.

Ajahn Buddhadasa spent 60 years in the forest. The forest helped to make Buddhadasa. It contributed to his wisdom. There is the lovely monk’s tradition of Thudong (walking/pilgrimage). We can be completely absorbed in the nature. If you can, as a monk and lay people, please see the sky above, the earth below, the trees, lakes, forest and nature.

Two months ago, I watched three BBC documentaries about Thailand. The documentaries showed the beautiful relationship between the forest, jungle, spirituality and the monasteries. After watching those documentaries, I had tears in my eyes. What a country! What incredible beauty! What beautiful nature! What a Dhammajat! (Dhamma Nature)! Use the Dhamma nature please. In such beautiful stability, monks and lay people, we can grow.

I just want to add here, a health warning about democracy. I do apologize on behalf of previous generation English people, who were too lazy to learn a foreign language. We insisted much of the world had to learn English because we are so lazy. The Americans helped in this project to get everybody to speak English. In the exploration of looking and the inquiry together, we must be careful about the democracy.

Democracy has Three Jewels. They are not particularly good jewels.

1) Two Party State.  There is the desire to impose on the world the two-party system with a little entertainment from the small parties,

2) The West wishes to give power and control over people, resources, and environment to the corporate world. This is also the part of ideology in democracy.

3) This is the pressure to convert people into consumers. The measurement of a human beings is by consumption. We have the tradition of the Buddha Sassana. We have the tradition of the monks and nuns, who say ‘NO’ to consumerism. It is a powerful statement. We have to learn to live in a different way.  As Tan Ajahn Buddhadasa said: “We have to make the shift from selfishness from the selflessness We have to make our priority in life and commitment to show less for me and more for you. That is what Buddhadasa said to me once. ‘Less for me the more to you.'

This is Ajahn Christopher’s questions to the Buddhadasa. I interviewed him during the late 1980’s. Ajahn Christopher asked Buddhadasa “What do you see the roles of the monks and nuns in the contemporary society?”

He replied: “Their role is to be an example of living a life beyond all problem so that others will look within and live in the same way. Selfishness in the world is to be destroyed. Otherwise, the world will be destroyed.” (Applause). The Master has spoken.

Then, let’s go to the education. I have some views on education. I had the privilege of leaving school at the age of 15 years.  A few years ago, Oxford University kindly invited to me to give a talk on Mindfulness. In the middle of the talk, I asked: “Is Oxford University an ego-making factory?”

I received an upset letter from one of the professors: “Mr. Titmuss. Who do you think you are? Don’t you realize Oxford University is one of the most prestigious universities in the world?”

I wrote back: “You just proved my point.”

To our beloved academics. We listen to the lovely talks. We listened to very beautiful meetings in the hall here.

I spoke with Ajahn Buddhadasa. I had this conversation with him that I am going to quote in a moment or two. In speaking with him, there is little danger for the academics, school teachers, professors and translator and all those who work with students.

The danger is that the mind knows a lot but practice and experience is less. It is the problem with the university life.  We can know much in our head but in the deep of our being, we don’t know.

We need a radical change in thinking and attitude in university life. One of the contributions that beloved academics can make is please, bring in (actual, first-hand) experiences. The language of economics, sustainability, politics, finance, global issues are important issues.  But I have to say, as a political activist, it is not the language in the street. It is the language in the book. It is the language in the university. It is the language in politics. We have to explore the language and most importantly ask: “What is the person’s experience in relationship to these subjects?”

If you speak about sustainability, that would be valuable and important. What ways are we contributing to sustainability?

Our universities in England are quite often isolated from the local community. The university has little contact with the people around.

I spoke at the university in Amsterdam, some years ago. I said to the academics: “Please, take your economic/ecology students out to the local people. Ask the people: “How can we help you? What way can we encourage your life? Help to develop the community. How do you develop as a human being? Then you come back to the university not to talk theory but to connect with people’s real lives. Then apply it. Learn from local people.

Beloved academics can make a wonderful contribution. Listen not to the theory of students but their experience. The experience of pressure, of stress, of anger, of corruption, of concern.                                                                                        

Ask them, what shows compassion? Where is the metta (loving kindness). Talk from experience. The experience and theory work together. Universities spend too much time upstairs in the attic of the mind. Get in the basement.  Look deeper. Upstairs depends upon the downstairs. Obviously.

Use the arts. Art is incredibly important. We need fresh dialogues with the teachers, students and professors. We listened yesterday. to the translators, who are doing precious work. The precious work that takes place is often relying on three or four translators. Some who are rather bald. They are getting older. They are not bald because they are monks but because, their hair is disappearing. And if it is not disappearing it’s white.

We need a new generation of men and women who can work together. There are such precious texts such as Ajahn Buddhadasa’s archive. We lazy English people have mental defects to learn the foreign language. I think something is missing in my DNA. We rely upon our translators. When I heard the name ‘Suan Mokkh Bangkok’ I had no idea but my heart and mind was delighted.

When I was kindly invited to come, I thought the centre might be a little office in downtown Bangkok. But, when I arrived here, it just delighted me. The combination of monks, plus women’s ordination supports the Buddha and a great vision. There is a wonderful stability of the ordained Sangha.

I want the bridge to be between householders and monks to meet to learn and share the deep teaching of the Buddha.  This is very necessary to be developed.

Ajahn Buddhadasa realized the contribution of the arts to awaken human beings. We have wonderful reminders. We need the arts. Suan Mokkh Bangkok can become a place full of art, full of paintings. With the small condition: the art communicates the deep and profound, as we see here already. Art should communicate the Buddha, Dhamma and Sangha. Art should communicate about nature. Art should communicate about love and compassion and the depths of meditation. Meetings, conferences, art, poetry. need to be creative to communicate the Dhamma. We need monks, nuns, internationals and wonderful Thai people to really work together.

This place is extraordinary. It’s remarkable. It has beautiful lakes and trees. I would like to thank all the householders, lay people who gave dana for this. I wish to give thanks to the wonderful team who worked very hard to organize this conference and the all good volunteers.

Thank you to all the participants.

Practice is one of the core advices of the Buddha. We need to practice, practice and practice. We are the real Buddhadasa, Dhammadasa and Sanghadasa.

Aj. christopher titmuss 8th ibrs